#CloudFlare is now hitting the archive.org wayback machine with the same #CAPTCHA as #Tor users, thus censoring history too.

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@resist1984 One reason more to use Cloudflare.The wayback machine keeps data from all websites forever.Maybe it's interesting history for some public information but they also save social media,forums,everyone you ever wrote with no way to delete it.That's pure evil.

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@nipos @resist1984 But that's why they are respecting the same flags as search engines. If you don't allow searchengines to index a part of your page, wayback machine won't do so. And without a robots.txt or something comparable, it won't happen...

@nipos @resist1984 they only save websites that allow crawlers. So disabling crawlers for website means it won't be saved.

@nedelne_rano @resist1984 @frommMoritz There's a big difference in making content searchable or cloning it completely forever.If it's in the search and the author decides to delete it,search links will return Error 404 after clicking it.Yes,there may be some other cache but I'm talking about pure search results.This isn't problematic.If you delete it and there's an exact copy of the page which isnt removed,this is a problem in some cases.

@nipos

wayback machine respects robots.

blog.reputationx.com/block-way

And claiming that it is "one more reason to use cloudflare" is kinda wierd.

And yes, you can get your site removed from wayback machine.

@nedelne_rano @resist1984 @frommMoritz

@nipos @nedelne_rano @resist1984 @frommMoritz and yet history is important. There is a balance to be found here somewhere.

If you don't want your information public, don't make it public. Facebook already disallows crawling, so does Twitter, by the way. So your point is mostly moot anyway.

CloudFlare unilaterally deciding to screw over one of the main projects keeping Internet history is not that balance.

@nipos
Whether your dislike of the Wayback machine is justified or not -- putting them behind access restrictions like this only limits access by people who care about privacy, and disabled people -- hardly "just dessert"
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@Mr_Teatime @resist1984 Nope because I explicitly whitelisted Tor in my Cloudflare settings resulting in Tor users being able to access the site without seeing a shitty Google captcha 😉

@nipos @Mr_Teatime #CloudFlare w/ #Tor whitelisted is even worse, b/c then Tor users don't know they are interacting w/a CF MitM. Tor users then unwittingly support a Tor adversary.

@Mr_Teatime @nipos archive.org does #Tor users a service b/c it helps bypass the #CAPTCHA (if needed) & ensures the target site is not rewarded w/traffic or interaction.

@nipos @Mr_Teatime there is a very useful browser plugin that detects #CloudFlare & automatically redirects to the archive of the page.

@Mr_Teatime @nipos the Firefox plugin that redirects CF sites is called "Block Cloudflare MITM Attack" and is posted here: addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firef. Description is in cyrillic but don't let that scare you off. This plugin will outright block CF sites: gitlab.com/gkrishnaks/cloud-fi

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